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Frogfish

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Automated Water Change
« on: November 03, 2009, 08:51:05 PM »
In another thread someone asked about water change containers.  I posted that I don't manually do water changes on my tanks.  I have automated the process and figured I would post it here for people to comment on or ask questions.

I have this system running two independent tanks, a 125 and a 110. I am sure that most controllers can be expanded enough to add a system like this to it rather than going with a new controller.

I have a fish room in the basement, under the stairs. In this room I have two 55 gallon drums for water storage. The one on the left is fresh water and the one on the right is salt. The plumbing shown in the picture is for transferring water from one drum to the other or to fill gallon jugs or buckets.



From this area I have 3 x 1/4" tubing running to each tank. The white is for RODI top off. The blue is to drain the tank. The red is to supply new SW to the tanks. Each of these tubes runs through a McMaster Carr solenoid valve (www.McMaster.com). It is p/n 7877K53. It costs about $25 each. I have had some in my tank systems for approximately 5 years with no problems.

The controller is set up to operate everything once a day for each tank. The controller is an Aquacotroller JR. I think it and the DC8 outlet system cost $200 in a powerbuy. I also have a dual inline TDS meter. Since my incoming TDS is fairly constant, I am monitoring the RO output and the DI output. If the DI output starts to raise I need to change the resin. If the RO output starts to raise, I need to change the membrane.



The first thing that happens is that the auto top off kicks on for approximately 30 minutes. My autotop off consists of the RODI system being run directly to a float valve in the sump. The only way it fills the sump is if the valve turns on and the float is low. This give some redundant protection. By running it for 30 minutes I would get a max of 2 gallons of top off. I only use 1 or less. If something were to go wrong I would notice it well before the sump overflowed. You definitely want the system to top off first, so that you are always at a fixed water level before anything else happens.

After that turns off, I open the valve for the drain. Ideally this drain would be from a bulkhead setting the low water level. However, the sump was already in use so I could not drill it for a bulkhead. Therefore it is running off a siphon. This water is directed to a floor drain in the fish room. The valve stays open for 6 minutes. Based on the head I have on the system this drains approximately 1 gallon of tank water.

Finally the controller turns on the supply pump to send new SW to the tank. This pump can be any number of pumps, you want high head and low flow. Since I sell industrial pumps, I had a "demo" pump that I am able to use. This pump is turned on for 8 minutes and brings the water level back up to its original point. I need to modify this system to have the supply pump run to a float valve rather than just run off a timer.



As mentioned earlier I wish I had a bulkhead for the drain and a float for the supply. These are really the only mods that I would reasonably like to make. The one that I think is just too expensive would be to automate the making of SW in the drum. This would need a powder dispensing valve to put salt in and that would be too much.

I do check the salinity in each tank about every two weeks. Once I got the timing right there has not been an issue. However, if there is and I need to make minor adjustments it will be easy. If the salinity drops I can simply overfill with the new SW and allow evaporation to slowly raise the salinity. By overfilling the top off would not activate as the float valve would stay closed. If the salinity gets too high I simply need to drain extra and let the top off make up the difference.

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Re: Automated Water Change
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 10:00:38 PM »
Great job! Wish I lived closer...you could be my new best friend.... :D Johnnie
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Re: Automated Water Change
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 08:39:04 AM »
  That is truly fascinating........  so did I read right the the amount of salt water going in and out of the tank is determined by timers? I'm not knocking your system, but what happens if you get a change in water pressure (something gets stuck to the drain on the tank) wile it's running?
  Have you got some kind of emergency drain on the sump if it gets to much water added to it?

 Nice work, looks like there is alot of sweat equity invested in that.

   
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Frogfish

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Re: Automated Water Change
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 08:00:56 PM »
you are right, everything is on a timers.  But they are from my Aquacontroller JR not some $5 thing from Home Depot.  I have not heard any experiences where these timers have been an issue.  But it is the one thing I don't like, but there is nothing I can feasibly do about it. 

I would prefer to have a drilled sump with a bulkhead that lets me set the water level to drain to.  And a float valve for the new SW to set that level.  I need to try a float, but there is no way I am drilling a tank while in use.

If something gets stuck it would take a while to overflow and I would hope to notice it.  I suppose I could rig some kind of alarm levels for high and low.  I may think about that as well.

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Re: Automated Water Change
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »
  Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying that you had poor quality equipment,  it was more of a curiosity about how it all worked.
  Have you got any pic's of your sumps and how there all plumbed in?
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Frogfish

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Re: Automated Water Change
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 08:17:13 PM »
didn't think you were.  I would NOT do it if I had cheapo timers... too much risk.

No pics of the sump but its pretty easy to envision  :)

top off is a 1/4" white tubing coming to a float valve
drain is a 1/4" blue tubing sticking into the sump (nothing but the tube)
supply is a 1/4" red tubing connected to a short 1/2" PVC with two elbows on it.  The elbows fit perfectly over the rim of the sump and hold it in place.